Opet ja dosadan - CS 197

[madaj]

Slazem se sa tim da mi nije puno bitna maksimalna brzina, vec mi je bitan start od semafora do semafora, medju-ubrzanja, i lezanje i prolazenje kroz krivine. Na autoputu provodim jako malo vremena samo kad putujem negde a to je maksimalno 3 puta godisnje kad idem negde dalje, ne racunam ako provodim na autoputu 200-300 km, to ne smatram nekom relacijom gde mi je potrebna ta brzina nego kad ides na put od 1000-2000 km, a bas me zanima koliko bi vas vozilo brzinom od 200 ili vise po autoputu i koliko bi dugo izdrzali da voze sa tom brzinom

[Coupe RS]

Ma ok sad....nekome je bitno, nekome ne....činjenica je da su mogli malo produ

[madaj]

pa cini mi se da je bila anketa o tome kojim se brzinama vozi na auto-putum i cini mi se da je najvise bilo odgovora za 130-150(mozda sam i ja nesto isptripovao, mrzi me da trazim) ali to je to i otprilike rekto ko vozi konstatno 200 ili vise

evo nije me mrzelo da potrazim

http://www.renault-club.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1962

Edited August 8, 2006 by madaj

[Coupe RS]

pa cini mi se da je bila anketa o tome kojim se brzinama vozi na auto-putum i cini mi se da je najvise bilo odgovora za 130-150(mozda sam i ja nesto isptripovao, mrzi me da trazim) ali to je to i otprilike rekto ko vozi konstatno 200 ili vise

evo nije me mrzelo da potrazim

http://www.renault-club.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1962

Vozimo se relativno sporo jer uglavnom nemamo aute za odr

[madaj]

Vozimo se relativno sporo jer uglavnom nemamo aute za odr

[Guest zggtturbo]

Ma ok sad....nekome je bitno, nekome ne....činjenica je da su mogli malo produ

[Safrane]

Slazem se sa tim, ali i bez toga znas ti koliko je tesko voziti konstantno 200 ili vise duze vremena, koju koncentraciju moras da imas i ja znam da kad smo isli negde morali smo da se menjamo na sat, dva, jer uopste nije lako da vozis tolikom brzinom, mala greskica i ode sve u k***c, evo moji su drugari sad na Ibizu otisli mazdom 6 2.0 disel i ostavili BMW kuci jer to ne mogu sporo da voze i znaju sta je preci 2000 km pri velikim konstantnim brzinama, a dve dogine su isli BMW, prolse avionom, smucila im se voznja jer su za 45 dana presli 6500 km predhodne godine

Meni je opet suprotno, lakše mi je voziti 180-200 nego sporije. Kada vozim 150 onda mi je dosadno, umorim se, nervozan, nisam koncentriran. Na brzini od 190 je zanimljivo jer se stalno nešto događa.

Konstantnu brzinu preko 200 dr

Edited August 8, 2006 by Safrane

[Spex]

....i ne bi ti bilo nimalo gorko u grlu da naprimer putuješ iz DU u ZG na meeting Reno-kluba....i na autoputu ti u guzici neki Megane 1.6 16v kupljen za 4-5 tisuća

[Hrci]

Jel zna tko koliko novom Cliu RS treba na 402 m?

[clio1416V]

402: 15.00s ,kako pise na carfolio.com

[182]

Mala usporedba 182 vs 197

Autocar 16. 3. 2004. Clio Sport 182 Road test

Power: 180 bhp at 6500 rpm

Torque:148 lb ft at 5250 rpm

Power to weight: 165 bhp per tone

Specific output: 90 bhp per litre

Road test results:

Accel from rest:

30 mph 2.6sec, 40 mph 3.7sec, 50 mph 5sec, 60 mph 6.3sec, 70 mph 8.4sec, 80 mph 10.6 sec,

90 mph 13.6 sec, 100 mph 17 sec, 110 mph 22 sec.

0-400m 15sec at 94 mph

0-1000m 27.8sec at 121 mph

30- 70 mph in gears 5.8 sec

Maximum speed 140 mph

Accel in gears (wet)

20-40 mph 3 sec(2 gear), 4.4 sec(3 gear), 6.3 sec(4 gear)

30-50 mph 3 sec(2 gear), 3.6 sec(3 gear), 5.5 sec(4 gear)

40-60mph 2.8 sec(2 gear), 4.0 sec(3 gear), 5.4 sec(4 gear)

50-70 mph 4 sec(3 gear), 5.6 sec(4 gear)

60-80 mph 4 sec(3 gear), 5.6 sec(4 gear)

Breking

From 30/50/70-0 mph

8.8/23.9/48.6 metres

Autocar 26. 7. 2006. Clio Sport 197 Road test

Power: 194 bhp at 7250 rpm

Torque:155 lb ft at 5550 rpm

Power to weight: 156 bhp per tone

Specific output: 97 bhp per litre

Road test results:

Accel from rest:

30 mph 2.7sec, 40 mph 4sec, 50 mph 5.3sec, 60 mph 6.9sec, 70 mph 9.6sec, 80 mph 11.9 sec,

90 mph 15 sec, 100 mph 18.7 sec, 110 mph 23.8 sec.

0-400m 15.7sec at 91.3 mph

0-1000m 28.3sec at 117 mph

30- 70 mph in gears 7.3 sec

Maximum speed 131 mph

Accel in gears

20-40 mph 3.2 sec(2 gear), 4.5 sec(3 gear), 6.4 sec(4 gear)

30-50 mph 3 sec(2 gear), 4.1 sec(3 gear), 5.2 sec(4 gear)

40-60mph 3 sec(2 gear), 4.1 sec(3 gear), 5.3 sec(4 gear)

50-70 mph 4.1 sec(3 gear), 5.4 sec(4 gear)

60-80 mph 4.3 sec(3 gear), 5.5 sec(4 gear)

Breking

From 30/50/70-0 mph

8.7/23.7/46.8 metres

Edited August 16, 2006 by 182

[Rain]

prema ovim podacima 197 je lagano razocaranje :(

[Hrci]

prema ovim podacima 197 je lagano razocaranje :(

Da, jedino mu je kočenje nešto bolje, za ostalo bi ga trebalo olakšat, iovako sam čuo da će se moć kombinirat sa dodatnom opremom, al opet.. glupo je prihvačat neke kompromise za auto tolike cijene. Al brijem da je stabilniji na cesti u svim uvjetima, što zbog ovjesa, aerodinamike.. ...ništa, dok god ne naprave neki hard test sa njim neću ništa pretjerano zaključivat.

[Spex]

RS2 ima 5 brzina, a RS 3 ima 6 brzina, zbog čega međuubrzanja u istom stupnju brzine nisu usporediva

A i tu je razlika minimalna... A Budući RS3 ima bolje kočnice, na cesti i stazi to znači da se mo

[sportivo]

Meni Cliova krajnja brzina nije ipak toliko razočaranje. Iako bi bilo logično da auto s 200 Ks mo

[Spex]

Sve mi se čini da bi najbolja kombinacija bila motor iz novog RS-a u starom RS-u

[ZD1400RT]

Trebamo se svi strpit da ih se nekoliko komada pojavi na cesti, da se neki provozaju, da npr. Top Gear izbaci kakav usporedni test sa Civicom, Golfom GT ili GTI...

Ovo što smo do sad rekli su samo naklapanja! Neki bi htjeli od 2.0 atmosferca da je pored toga što gazi zavoje i dominantan na auto cesti koji bi išao cca 260 km/h, ali tako to ne ide.

Onaj ko se hoće guštat u na staroj cesti i "lagano" kruzat (180-190) auto putem uzet će Sporta

Onaj ko hoće biti hidrogliser na auto cesti neka uzme npr. Lagunu 3.0 V6 i stvar riješena!

[182]

Koliko god pokušavali opravdati novog Sporta mišljenja sam da novi model nikako nesmije biti sporiji od predhodnika. Znam samo da novi sport mo

[MoschuS]

Evo c/p topica sa Cliosport foruma, covjek koji ima Trophy-a se malo bolje provozao sa novim Sportom 197 po Brands Hatchu

" A correctly driven 197 is faster than a standard 172/182!

A controversial title...maybe...but having spent as long as I wanted in the car yesterday around Brands, without anyone telling me what I can and can't do I was able to drive the car how I wanted.

Obviously I've had a 172, 182 with Cup packs and currently have the Trophy as well as having driven 172 Cups, valvers and Williams so I'm quite up on my RenaultSport Clios.

Having driven then 197 at Oulton but only for a few laps I was lucky enough yesterday to get my hands on one for as long as I wanted at Brands, and with those new brakes that was a lot longer than I'd go in my car. lol

Thoughts on the car in no real order:

Brakes, they have to get mentioned first as they are truly amazing. They allowed you to brake so much later and harder and resisted fade lap after lap. I drove the car straight after Jeremy had finished in it, with no cool down period and the pedal was solid as a rock.

Handling wise it couldn't be a more surefooted yet adjustable car. The level of grip it has is far more than any previous Clio on road tyres I've driven. It settles into a corner so easily and just goes round. What is amazing is that if you want to adjust your line there's no sawing at the wheel or drama you can just lift and steer and it goes round. The rear end doesn't feel light anymore, and to a degree really feels like it steers from the rear as opposed to just dragging it round.

The steering is light, especially after getting out of the Trophy, but it weights up nicely under hard cornering, and offers decent feedback though not as much as the previous generation of RenaulSport Clios. The older car has the edge in that area for me, though the small chunky wheel is perfection.

The engine in the car I drove had around 2k on it and unlike the new one I drove previously had an obvious 5k kick as well as making a useful noise. When shifting up and getting back on the power there was the usual kick, which the new low mileage car lacked. The gearbox, although a little tight (being new) is excellent and didn't seem flustered when rushed, unlike the old unit which crunches 1st to 2nd when pushed hard! I did on a couple of occasions fail to get it into gear but I suspect that's because it was new and still tight. I had the same with mine for months.

Anyway, enough about the car. On track I had no problems catching and passing numerous 172s and 182 including a couple of Trophy. There was only one car (a Trophy) which I didn't pass as he was lapping at a very similar pace. I'd been out for a good while by then so figured it was probably a good idea to give the poor car a rest. The rest of the day I passed 197s in the Trophy. It's a shame people didn't get the chance to really push on, but then crashing someone elses car isn't a good thing.

Everyone else had to lap with an instructor so had to be a little more careful, as well as having a limited time in the car. Given a free reign you can really so how impressive the car is. It feels more of a precision instrument rather than something you can chuck around by the scruff of the neck.

After I'd done in the 197 I jumped back in the Trophy and it felt so different. I'm confused now as to which I prefer. The 197 will lap quicker without a shadow of doubt, but I fear it's weight disadvantage will hurt it's quick direction changes on B roads, though the excellent damping I'm sure will more smooth out the poor surface enough to still put it ahead of the previous models. If it were to lose a few pounds here and there then I have no doubt it would become the new greatest hot hatch ever. Once back in the Trophy what hits you is that you turn the wheel and it goes straight away, it feels light on it's feet, with minimal contact with the tarmac it skips along light, but surefooted. Into the first corner at Brands, hard on the brakes and the rear end isn't even on the tarmac, making you work hard to keep it in a straight line before chucking it into the fast sweeping right is great fun (hey Iain) that's something the 197 doesn't do, it will make it through the turn without any of the drama/fun and come out the other side ahead.

I think that just about covers my thoughts."

[Spex]

Eto, jesam li vam rekao?

Ma nema uopće sumnje da je novi RS br

[ip]

Eto, jesam li vam rekao?

Ma nema uopće sumnje da je novi RS br

[182]

Teško je govoriti o novome autu dok ga se ne proba. Na renaultsport forumu se na veliko dečki ganjaju i usporednim ganjavelama svi sa 182 namazali su 197. Još uvjek nitko sa starim RS nije zamjenio za novoga a to je problem. Gledam kod Baotića RS 197 sa malo opremice košta preko 170.000 kuna, to je stvarno previše.

[Rain]

Teško je govoriti o novome autu dok ga se ne proba. Na renaultsport forumu se na veliko dečki ganjaju i usporednim ganjavelama svi sa 182 namazali su 197. Još uvjek nitko sa starim RS nije zamjenio za novoga a to je problem. Gledam kod Baotića RS 197 sa malo opremice košta preko 170.000 kuna, to je stvarno previše. Želim reći da vlasnicima slabijih modela do 100 KS je novi sport nešto fenomenalno ali oni koji imaju starog RSa znaju koliko je to dobar auto i da ga mjenjaju za auto sporiji na ravnom ili malo brži po zavojima teško.

S ovim se slažem u potpunosti.

Da bi presao sa stargo sporta na novog, morao bi me hebeno oduseviti, a do sada to nije napravio.

Ali da jos uvijek vozikam dci-a, te da kupujem sporta vjerovatno bi se odlucio za 197

[MoschuS]

Da bi presao sa stargo sporta na novog, morao bi me hebeno oduseviti, a do sada to nije napravio.

Ali da jos uvijek vozikam dci-a, te da kupujem sporta vjerovatno bi se odlucio za 197

E bas to, vi koji imate Sporta mislim da nemate razloga razmisljati o novom.

Ali zato mi koji nemamo.....

[Coupe RS]

E bas to, vi koji imate Sporta mislim da nemate razloga razmisljati o novom.

Ali zato mi koji nemamo.....

Ma nemoj tako....trebamo im svi napuniti glavu da je novi Sport 300% bolji od starog....pa će biti više 172-ojki i 182-ica na prodaju!!!